However, Ultimate Gohan was able to easily dominate Super Buu. Seems more or less relevant as Tarble was mentioned I'm BoG, and in YSG! He can even be cut to pieces and his pieces will try to 'glue' themselves together. Goku and Vegeta have spent a majority of their time alive training. For a short while during the Android saga Vegeta was actually stronger than Goku (after achieving ASSJ, which was confirmed by Piccolo and not just Vegeta's bragging) but again Goku caught up and … Vegeta is the strongest fight there is because he trains 4x harder than goku, he's smarter and piccolo and tien combined and he has overall more experience in battle. This means that, as a SSJ3, Goku would be 4x stronger than Majin Vegeta. I would think itd be expected that Majin Vegeta, an SSJ2 warrior from 7 years later, would be strong enough to take them on SpikeFuture (talk) 16:44, October 11, 2013 (UTC). I can explain Super Buu's strength quiet simply. There's no denying that making Gohan the protagonist would've done wonders for the staleness of the Dragon Ball formula.. After all, Toriyama himself was getting fatigued with the Dragon Ball series post the Cell Saga, and this showed in the quality of the Buu arc. I always thought Vegeta ended up being slightly stronger, but i've heard many conflicting viewpoints. Goten and Trunks sort of trained a bit, but if EoZ is anything to go by, they never really progressed. To elaborate furthur, as a SSJ3, Gotenks would be 8 times stronger than SSJ3 Goku (becasue 400, the SSJ3 multiplier, divided by 50, the SSJ multiplier, equals 8, which shows us the power jump from SSJ to SSJ3). Gohan In Dragon Ball Super Gohan has the potential to become even stronger than his father Goku and friend Vegeta because he is a half-blooded Saiyan. The main reason behind it is that his Super Saiyan 3 is much stronger than Gohan’s Super Saiyan 2. Gohan is stronger than Super Perfect Cell by a small margin. The fact of the matter is that Majin Vegeta couldn't beat Majin Buu, he can't beat Super Buu and he wouldn't stand a chance against Ultimate Gohan. With that out of the way, let's continue. However, the case can be made for Ultimate Gohan being stronger. Back to Vegeta. In spite of his overwhelming lead, Vegeta is pushed back as Goku taps into Kaioken, outmaneuvers him with pure martial arts, and wounds his pride with arguably the best fight choreography in Akira Toriyama’s career. Find out more about how we use your information in our Privacy Policy and Cookie Policy. Vegeta had to use this machine Bulma made to get him to super sayian four. Cell has vegeta's and frieza's cockiness and ignorance which would be a major downfall. He was also distraught from having Goku (and Trunks) die. Gohan trained hard for a couple years and never really did after his time in the RoSaT. Gotenks SSJ3 is a bit stronger than Super Buu, but couldn't win due to his endurance. He does manage to save a bunch of people from a wayward blast from the beast. After this point both fighters stop fighting for many years until Buu arrives (when Gohan is an adult), but Gohan is still stronger. 8 Can Beat: Vegeta Vegeta was stronger than gohan in the saiyan, frieza, cell, buu and gt saga. Chapter: 415 (DBZ 221), P6.2-5 Context: after Gohan's injured saving Vegeta, and Cell charges up his final Kamehameha Gohan had his power unlock twice. The anime doesn't provide a clear answer to this question, but the manga reveals that Gohan has the edge over Android 17. Also, givin this is just referencing the Anime and may not have been the same in the Manga but USSJ Trunks' powering up before fighting Cell seemed to be grander than anything USSJ Vegeta displayed. If you're talking about base super buu (no absorptions) vs kid buu, kid buu is the stronger. He was capable of fighting against several huge threats in the Moro arc, however, taking on Moro is a different story altogether. Also Trunks being too humble, he didn't want to hurt Vegeta's ego so he kept his power a secret. Dragon Ball Wiki is a FANDOM Anime Community. Same goes for Goku who said himself that he stood no chance against Super Buu. 6)Gotenks. As quoted by Vegeta himself when the trio of him, Goku and Gohan entering Babidy space ship. I don’t blame him as Goku had to use his Super Saiyan 3 form to finally win. I'd say that in terms of straight power level, Gohan had a higher strength than Vegeta. Which is strange since even Gotenks or Gohan couldn’t win, despite being stronger. vegeta is stronger because vegeta trained in the hyperbolic time chamber for a long time and got very strong, by then he turned ssj2 and became even stronger. Yahoo is part of Verizon Media. Sorry it took so much reading to get to this point, but you guys were saying some crazy stuff, and I wanted to see if I could help clear up some of these misconceptions. So both are ridiculously powerful. Goku and Majin Vegeta are evenly matched while in their SSJ2 forms. You can change your choices at any time by visiting Your Privacy Controls. They both are strong but I personal think Goku is. At the beginning Vegeta was stronger (he had a power level 18,000 according to Cui vs Goku's 9001). RELATED: 10 Marvel Supervillains Stronger Than Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta. SSJ2 Gohan > Perfect Cell, and to Demon King Dabura as per Vegeta's comment. Evolve 20 (talk) 21:37, October 11, 2013 (UTC). Although Vegeta can easily turn the tables for being the more experienced … Vegeta’s even stronger as an Oozaru, crippling virtually every single bone in Goku’s body. They're fusions created by two or more characters; which means that they do not exist on their own. Fanpop enquête Results: Is Vegeta stronger than Gohan? -Vegeta is naturally a fighter unlike Gohan who has to get angry to unlock his strength. Super Perfect Cell was stronger than SSJ2 Gohan. During the Tournament of Power, she managed to defeat Ribrianne, who could trade blows with Super Saiyan Vegeta, and before that, she held her own against Super Saiyan Goten and Trunks during the 25th World Martial Arts Tournament. Vegeta was stronger than gohan in the saiyan, frieza, cell, buu and gt saga. Gohan first when met the good buu he was easily defeated in two three blows. While Android 18 currently isn't as strong as a Super Saiyan 2 herself, she's definitely a lot stronger than she was during her debut in Dragon Ball Z. Also, no, technically it doesn’t matter that Raditz is canon while Tarble is semi-canon, that doesn’t make Raditz stronger. when android 17 became super seventeen he overwhelmed everyone [Gohan,Vegeta,Majuub,trunks and Goten] but vegeta fought till goku did not return while gohan was lying helplessly,and was defeated badly. Vegeta said he and Goku had surpassed Gohan since the Cell Game because Gohan has stopped training after Cell saga. Later, when Super Buu emerges, Gotenks as a SSJ3 (who is about 8x stronger than SSJ3 Goku) was only a little bit stronger than him. All signs point to Vegeta being stronger than any form of SS2 Gohan, and if you're referring to End of DBZ Vegeta there's no question. For example, Vegeta has been getting a lot of time to shine lately, but another option for a replacement protagonist is Gohan - someone who fans feel has been dormant for such a long time that they think he's being unfairly shut out for some undisclosed reason. Gohan is one of Dragon Ball's strongest Saiyans and his most intimidating form is Ultimate Gohan, where he doesn't even go Super Saiyan to extract the full potential of his energy. If they would of fought him after he obsurbed gotenks they would of stood a chance! We and our partners will store and/or access information on your device through the use of cookies and similar technologies, to display personalised ads and content, for ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Vegeta hit Super Saiyan 2 after the Cell games but he achieved it before … Plus, Gohan Buu is not nearly as strong as (Super) Vegetto. While Gohan just intercepted a blast that would have killed Vegeta. Kid Buu is the pure evil incarnation of Buu. If Vegeta is weaker than SS2 Goku's momentary burst, and later made note of how a fully powered SS2 Goku is stronger than Kid Gohan, his pre Majin boost would be lesser than Kid Gohan's. Gohan is not stronger than goku he cant go super saiyan anymore and goku goes ssj3 goku is stronger plus he loses ALOT of his strength during buu saga so goku is stronger 4 years ago. Information about your device and internet connection, including your IP address, Browsing and search activity while using Verizon Media websites and apps. Vegeta has always been stronger than Goku, but only with them at the same level.On the Sayan saga, when they fought on their base form, Goku needed th IMO Yes. Vegeta had the power to destroy cell, but they gave it to gohan because he's the son of a hero. They are both so strong but Goku is a little bit better and vegeta admitted that in the episode named (Vegta s respect) He said:(you are better than me kakarote .You are the best.) Majin Buu expelled all of the evil from his body, creating Evil Buu. ... or that time he gave Cell a senzu bean so he could fight Gohan at full strength. However, in the Dragon Ball world, it is believed that half-Saiyans are stronger than full Saiyans, and Gohan having tremendous potential since childhood was meant to surpass his father. Ult.Gohan could easily beat up Super Buu. But Goku quickly outpaced Vegeta and became far stronger than him during the Namek saga. Ultimate Gohan could not have done that. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. Vegeta is actually Stronger, Its true that Gohan hit Super Saiyan 2 before anyone but that doesn't mean he is stronger than vegeta. But I own season 9 and instead Goku and Vegeta fusing into Vegeto, they decided they wanted to put there skill to the test against Kid Buu. When Goku and Vegeta fought during the Majin Buu arc, they were about evenly matched in SSJ2 form. Also Trunks being too humble, he didn't want to hurt Vegeta's ego so he kept his power a secret. I take it as Vegeta being too proud and blind to recognize Trunks being stronger. goku said that him (in ss3) and vegeta (in ss2) cldnt beat super buu and that they wld lose while gohan single handedly pwned super buu. This means that, theoretically, Evil Buu and Kid Buu are one and the same, and means they have the same power. I always thought Vegeta ended up being slightly stronger, but i've heard many conflicting viewpoints. Vegeta and Goku never reached Super Saiyan 2 in Cell Games and only one is Gohan. Gohan by such an insane margin that it isn’t even funny. Vegeta is the strongest fight there is because he trains 4x harder than goku, he's smarter and piccolo and tien combined and he has overall more experience in battle. Also, based on Piccolo's statement in the manga, Majin Vegeta isn't stronger than an enraged SS2 Kid Gohan by a huge margin. In short, using the facts we now know, Ultimate Gohan would be at least 32x stronger than Majin Vegeta! The "Fully Powered Super Saiyajin" that Goku and Gohan had attained is an overall stronger level of SSJ than the "Ascended" state that Vegeta had acheived. Vegeta is actually Stronger, Its true that Gohan hit Super Saiyan 2 before anyone but that doesn't mean he is stronger than vegeta. When Cell came back stronger, he also came back at 100% energy/stamina. Music: DragonBall Z … Vegeta is actually Stronger, Its true that Gohan hit Super Saiyan 2 before anyone but that doesn't mean he is stronger than vegeta. Facts are facts. I know man I mean ssj2 Vegeta can give ultimate gohan a fight! While him and Goku kept training every day to becomes stronger. A Kefura which is a fusion combining a legendary super saiyan who was able to overpower Golden Freezer and defeat Aniraza, and a fusion who can turn into super legendary saiyan 2 . If … [[Category:{{{1}}}|Ultimate gohan vs majin vegeta]]. Both are great supporting characters in their own right, but they can do so much more as the main Saiyan. Clearly, the two strongest main heroes are Goku and Vegeta, with Gohan, Android 17, Buu, and Piccolo also being counted amongst the planet's most powerful defenders. I take it as Vegeta being too proud and blind to recognize Trunks being stronger. He did beat zamasu with the spirit sword, however that was after everyone gave him their energy. Goten hasn't got anywhere near the experience Goku had when he first achieved super saiyan. Let me explain. Which is strange since even Gotenks or Gohan couldn’t win, despite being stronger. YSG! Goku says so. so gohan beating super buu means that he is way stronger than kid buu or goku. Gohan is a pretty great fighter, and though he was the youngest Super Saiyan of his time, Trunks surpassed his power at a younger age. Is Gohan stronger than Vegeta in the DBS manga? How Strong is Ultimate Gohan. Even though SSJ3 Goku could have beaten Kid Buu, it's unlikely he could take on someone even stronger. Goku fought Kid Buu as ssj3 and gave him a good fight too though Kid Buu was still stronger. Year of training went from Krillin to being stronger then Goku. However, the level of power changes when Goku ascends to SSJ3. While him and Goku kept training every day to becomes stronger. Ultimate Gohan didn't stand a chance. -Vegeta was on par with Goku who was stronger than Pikkon after training for only a few weeks in Other World. And, sorry to tell you this, but you can't really argue. And Goku is not the strongest of the Buu Saga. When Goten and Trunks fuse on Kami's Lookout, Goku and Piccolo alike state that Gotenks, while in SSJ, has enough power to defeat Majin Buu. Vegeta’s even stronger as an Oozaru, crippling virtually every single bone in Goku’s body. They even say in the show that his absorbing the kia's makes him weaker. The "Fully Powered Super Saiyajin" that Goku and Gohan had attained is an overall stronger level of SSJ than the "Ascended" state that Vegeta had acheived. Gohan and Kefura knocks each other out. But Frieza in terms of skills diversification, he beats Gohan, Goku and Vegeta by miles. Back to Vegeta. ok to clear things up... super buu is WAY stronger than kid buu, but kid buu is more dangerous. Gohan doesn't have what it takes to defeat him. Vegeta tried his best against Hirudegarn but falls well short. 4)Vegeta . Cell and even his Cell Juniors can defeat Broly. For as powerful as Vegeta is, however, he lacks Goku’s skill and tenacity. The reason why I say this is because Gohan has 50% sayian blood and the other 50% human While Vegeta and Goku have 100% sayian blood Goku is stronger than Vegeta because Goku became a … A Kefura which is a fusion combining a legendary super saiyan who was able to overpower Golden Freezer and defeat Aniraza, and a fusion who can turn into super legendary saiyan 2 . They were outclassed by Super Vegeta from 7 years prior. 2)Vegito . Its tough to scale Rage Trunks. The first time was with the Elder Namekian, also known as Guru on Planet Namek, and the second time was with the Elder Supreme Kai back in Dragon Ball Z. - Read the results on this enquête and other Dragon Ball Z enquêtes The first guy is right about everything he said....SpikeFuture (talk) 00:17, October 11, 2013 (UTC), Is there really a debate going on about majin vegeta vs mystic gohan? Vegeta, however, does not have this problem. Vegeta tried his best against Hirudegarn but falls well short. After that his inner potential was unlocked which made him stronger than ever. This means that, as a SSJ3, Goku would be 4x stronger than Majin Vegeta. The power of Evil Buu, added on to Good Buu, gives birth to a strength much greater than Kid Buu. So it would go Fat buu, Super buu, Kid Buu. Goku is stronger than Vegeta because Goku became a super sayian before Vegeta and also Goku has been ahead of Vegeta . That's more proof that Gotenks SSJ3 is stronger than him, not to mention Goku already stated he couldn't defeat Super Buu. I don’t blame him as Goku had to use his Super Saiyan 3 form to finally win. If Majin Vegeta couldn't beat Majin Buu.... What makes you guys think he would stand a chance against Super Buu (a character who Ultimate Gohan trampled all over)? So what does that show you? We already know SSJ3 Goku could have pulled off this feat, as he says so after the battle. While Android 18 currently isn't as strong as a Super Saiyan 2 herself, she's definitely a lot stronger than she was during her debut in Dragon Ball Z. 7)Goten and Trunks He said himself that he couldn't beat Super Buu. And there is proof. Majin vegeta fought good against the fat Majin buu. 5 years ago *sigh* First off - Vegito, Gogeta, and Gotenks aren't characters. Frieza Saga- Goku had access to the super saiyan form at this time, so he would hands down defeat Gohan. Then he absorbed Ultimate Gohan and before Goku and Vegeta fused into Vegeto they fought Super Buu at ssj1 after he absorbed Gohan and Gotenks and got a quick beating. Well yes, Gohan did win the wave struggle but with the help of vegeta, if gohan was at full power then he could probably have won the struggle by himself. There is a reason that back in the day, forums would post questions like, “Gohan’s left pinky vs SS3 Goku.” Let me lay it out. Yeah but I also saw ssj3 goku do good against kid buu and he stronger than super buu and super buu beat ultimate gohan! 11 STRONGER GENES. For as powerful as Vegeta is, however, he lacks Goku’s skill and tenacity. Ok you do make a pretty good point. https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Ultimate_gohan_vs_majin_vegeta?oldid=1184632. That's not to say Gohan is weak right now. This means that SSJ Gotenks must at least be equal to SSJ3 Goku in strength. “Right know Goku is the strongest but will eventually be surpassed by the younger saiyan generation. 1)Gogeta . However, Ultimate Gohan is able to overpower Super Buu without a problem. Majin Buu, someone even Vegeta with his most powerful attack (the Final Explosion) couldn't beat, is easily outclassed by SSJ3 Goku. The only reason Gohan won was because he was distracted by the others/Vegeta and in that moment of distraction, Gohan released his power, which overwhelmed Cell too quickly before he could make use of his full power. He did beat zamasu with the spirit sword, however that was after everyone gave him their energy. 0 0. georgine. 3 1. hope. You do realize the difference between Super Buu and Majin Buu, right? It is generally accepted Vegito is stronger than Gogeta. Had Goku would have went ssj3.....he would have fought well against Super Buu. Much, much stronger. Janemba could easily handle the Z fighters before Gogeta comes into the picture. Super Saiyan 2 Gohan is stronger then vegeta and goku because Vegeta and Goku needed more training to become Super Saiyan 2 themselfs. In the other hand, I dont remember seeing much from Vegeta in the manga. After Evil Buu aborbs Good Buu, he transforms into Super Buu. The level of power goes like this: Ultimate Gohan > Gotenks SSJ3 > Goku SSJ3 > Majin Vegeta. According to DragonBall Z, it seems that overall, Goku is somewhat stronger than Vegeta and gohan is stronger than vegeta Who would win Goku or Gohan? For arguments sake let's just say SSJ 4 Goku is about equal to Vegetto, that would mean … https://www.thegamer.com/dragon-ball-characters-stronger-weak-er-vegeta I'd say that in terms of straight power level, Gohan had a higher strength than Vegeta. Ultimate Gohan is stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku from Dragon Ball Super. The Cell Jrs. Its tough to scale Rage Trunks. In the other hand, I dont remember seeing much from Vegeta in the manga. The brother of Vegeta and the second Prince of the Saiyan’s in Tarble is stronger than the brother of Goku in Raditz. Lv 4. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Big Bang Mission!!! Later, when Super Buu emerges, Gotenks as a SSJ3 (who is about 8x stronger than SSJ3 Goku) was only a little bit stronger than him. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Universe Mission!! We have also seen during the fight with Super 17 that it is implied Vegeta is the strongest of the Z warriors if Goku isn't around, but this should NOT be the case because Majuub is absolutely stronger than Vegeta at this point and he was beaten easily by Super 17 while Vegeta lasted a little bit longer, and Gohan couldn't even win against Metal Rildo, let alone Super 17. To enable Verizon Media and our partners to process your personal data select 'I agree', or select 'Manage settings' for more information and to manage your choices. Vegito easily overpowers Majin Buu, even after the monster has absorbed the powers and abilities of Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks and Goten, but defuses after allowing himself to be absorbed to rescue his sons. So close we can't really say one is much more stronger than the other. They're not characters; they're Vegeta and Goku or Goten … Adding on to that Vegeta said Goku is the only one capable of fighting Kid. Vegeta was almost always stronger than Gohan near the beginning of the show but near the end of the Cell Saga, Gohan is able to beat Cell when everyone else failed (including Vegeta), after training with his father. It's not just Goku, even Vegeta, Trunks, and Gohan who used to be stronger than Goku until Babidi Saga. Additionally, Gohan has trained much little than his father due to different reasons. Vegeta said he and Goku had surpassed Gohan since the Cell Game because Gohan has stopped training after Cell saga. He also said he watched everything while he was in the other world so he knew of Gohan's strength yet he still said ONLY Goku can fight Kid. Strong enough to rival SSJ2 Goku, who is stronger than SSJ2 Enraged Kid Gohan Idk why you brought up 17&18 though, unless you were joking or didnt follow/dont remember the Cell Saga. --Ssj3gogeta96 (talk) 14:40, October 11, 2013 (UTC)ssj3gogeta96, Look, we all know SSJ3 Goku was holding back against Majin Buu. 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